Hey, welcome to the you ask the pros answer podcast, your questions answered by the

pros you trust presented by pro exteriors. On today's episode, we are answering the

question, when is it time to replace my siding? Actually, this is a two parter. So

you'll get part one today. Part two will come out next Friday for the eagle eyed

and eared among us. you might realize that the content of this episode seems

familiar. That's for good reason. We are revisiting episode 6 of the show. And it's

for good reason. We feel like as we enter into the fall season, our houses have

made it through last winter, the heat, the extreme heat of this summer, and you

might be looking at your house thinking, "Oh goodness, my siding is looking a little

bit worse for wear. And you're wondering, is it time to replace it or repair it?

And so the hope is that this episode and next week's episode will help you make

the right decision. Let's hop right in to part one of, is it time to replace my

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an episode, each week we tackle a question that we have been asked by one of the

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honest conversation in hopes that when we conclude, we all feel more confident with

whatever endeavor we have with regards to our exterior remodeling. With that said,

Aaron, here is today's question. When is it time to replace my home's siding?

Now much like every week, that's a pretty loaded question. It's not a real simple

answer. So I want to walk us through just some different topics that will help me

as a homeowner figure out when it's actually time to replace the siding. So I was

hoping we could start with What are some of the signs that I need to be looking

out for? Maybe I have an exterior specialist come out and look for of deteriorating

siding? Or how do we talk about that? Like, what's the best way to figure that

out? OK, so normally, like the easiest signs you're going to see is obviously like

your siding is cracking or, you know, it could be, you know, if it's wood siding,

you know, your paint's chipping really badly, you can see huge gaps, you know, your

siding is curling, siding can be blowing off. I mean,

because there's such a wide variation, just like with roofing, in his regard to like

the materials that we have in our territory, I mean, every siding is going to kind

of come with its own variable of like when it's ready. You know, we have materials

that are kind of shorter term materials, even though they're considered a lifetime

material. They tend to have a kind of a lower lifespan than others. Some materials,

realistically, with proper maintenance can last almost forever. It's not unrealistic to

see a house that has, you know, 50, 60, 70, 80 year old siding on it. Sometimes

it's part of a multi -layer process there, but with proper maintenance there are tons

of materials out there that that work great and Have been maintained really well and

can last forever, but Normally we we try to look at it kind of the same way as

we do with roofing when you have Kind of some interior issues going on, you know,

normally that is coming from the exterior. So You know cracks in your siding dense

in your riding, siding, falling off, you know, paint chipping really, really badly.

Sometimes it could be animal infestation kind of forces the next conversation.

Or it's kind of a breakdown in your flashing, which is allow watering to kind of

get past that exterior covering into the inside of your house. So all of those

things can kind of be the catalyst for the replacement.

But sometimes we can repair. Sometimes we can't. So. And now a word from our

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rarely offers a deal this good. Let's get back to the show. Are there any other

you mentioned water like actual visible water getting into the home. Are there any

other things that could happen under the surface that as a normal homeowner,

I'm not walking around my house every day looking for things? Are there other hidden

factors that it needs to be that is time? So again,

very dependent on what type of siding you have. Most plywood,

the glue that's used to hold plywood together. When it gets wet in that kind of

that moisture has to escape, it shows brown. So if you're on the exterior of your

house and you see like some brown staining or anything on your siding, a lot of

times it can be brown staining in your soffit. We deal with roof leaks all the

time right at the end of the roof that the actual leaks show up as brown stains

on the soffit. And that's kind of the kickoff to make the original call.

But yeah, so sustaining can kind of be a really big thing. We see it a lot at

the beach

with specifically like wood siding or hardy siding or any side of siding that kind

of siding that kind of like sits flat against the house. If the improper house wrap

was the original

It was like an improper house wrap. We oftentimes, as soon as we pull that old

siding off, we've had houses that literally every piece of plywood on the entire

exterior is completely rotten.

So you would be surprised how often we get into situations like that where we

actually pull the siding off and the entire exterior of the house is rotten. There

were no exterior or interior signs that show Um,

so yeah, so you can be, you can hide a lot with siding. Um, sometimes you really

don't have any signs. It's just a matter of like, you know, it's older and, you

know, you're tired of having like your certain sightings painted every three to five

years. Um, yeah, so. Yeah. So you just mentioned that one,

the fact that you have seen instances where there's been no external Signs or

suggestions that there's anything going on. That leads me to another thing I wanted

to talk about is just the sheer age of some of the material. So I'm assuming in

those instances where you found issues where like the apply what underneath is bad.

Was that just the homeowner was ready for a change And you happen to find it or

was it like, Hey, this has been on here for 20, 30 years, we want to go with a

new look. Yeah. I mean, some of it, a lot of times that's with like a wood siding

where people just, they don't want the maintenance that comes with wood or it, you

know, it's, it's, you're kind of hitting that maintenance cycle where, you know,

you've had it painted a couple of times over the last three years and, you know,

your pen, you're spaying kind of like several thousand dollars every every time or

up to $10 ,000, $15 ,000 every time you're trying to get the exterior of your house

painted. And knowing that once you paint it once, the next time, you know, your

life is a little bit shorter and a little bit shorter. So the original sighting

could have been 10, 15 year old before you had to paint it the first time. And

then it's going to go to, you know, every, say, seven years and then every five

years. And it just doesn't last every time you have to recode it. The caulking and

everything starts to fail and everything kind of starts to build up, which doesn't

make it kind of last a little bit as long as it should. So in a lot of

situations, yeah, it's just people that have had, you know, wood siding or an older

siding and, you know, they want to spruce the house up. They want to make it look

a little bit more modern or they just don't want the maintenance that goes with

some other sightings. So we've torn off the entire exterior and, you know,

lo and behold, there's been issues for years that were uncovered. So I imagine we

probably run into people that have purchased a home from the original owner too,

right? And they're just like, we don't want to deal with a natural material on this

house. We want to do something new. Yeah, 100%. You know,

a lot of materials are specifically designed to be

less maintenance heavy, but ultimately still trying to mimic wood, you know, everybody

originally had wood siding, either it was a wood shake or a wood lap siding. So

even like vinyl, um, vinyl materials oftentimes are just trying to mimic the old

wood siding. Um, like things like fiber cement siding, like James Hardy, same thing.

That's shake siding, that lap siding, that board and baton is all just trying to

mimic the of wood siding that pretty much every house would have used.

So, yeah, so people are just trying to kind of come up with a more modern thing

and something that will hold up a little bit better to kind of our harsh

environments here and just require either no maintenance or less maintenance. No

maintenance, I'm gonna say in quotations 'cause there's no such thing as no

maintenance on your house. But there are products, obviously, that take less

maintenance, so. - All Alright, so could

you tell me a little bit about the expected life span of some of the different

siding materials? So let's start with wood. Okay. What are some of the expected,

yeah, life expectancy of wood siding? Okay. So in our territory,

realistically for siding, you're only going to have pretty much two options. You're

going to have cedar, and then you can also get cypress. Cypress is going to be way

more expensive, not common at all, but we do have homes here that have cypress

siding on them. It is the expectation that you're going to get 25 years plus out

of that. It is not uncommon to get 50 years out of a wood siding,

but all of that comes

with very, very stringent installation requirements, as well as maintenance

requirements.

And then, you know, you can go into the whole process of like homes, how we build

them now, they're super tight, you know, they create a lot more moisture than older

homes did, they don't allow moisture to go in and escape like they used to. So all

of that can kind of factor into it as well, but yeah.

What about some of the vinyl siding? What can you expect to get from that? Vinyl

siding, realistically, is sold as a lifetime product.

Lifetime is a subjective term.

What oftentimes ends up happening with vinyl is it just gets brittle. Like everything

that you put outside, if you leave it in the sun, the UV rays, eventually you're

just going to Beat on it enough that it just becomes brittle You get oxy that

oxidization so essentially you go up to the siding and you rub on it and kind of

the color will come off So I mean you can paint vinyl siding you can clean it

really well and paint it it'll last a very long time It's very much like aluminum

siding. I personally think aluminum siding was one of the best products ever Invented

it had insulation on the backside of it It could be painted over and over and over

again. It doesn't

Um, but yeah, so you can pretty much expect 25 years plus out of vinyl with ease.

I was not expecting you to say that about aluminum. It seemed like as somebody who

has not been in the industry for that long, it seemed like vinyl was one of the

aluminum was one of those things that people look back on like, I can't believe we

ever did that just because vinyls become such a maybe it's cheaper to. To Yeah,

and yeah vinyl is definitely cheaper to produce. It's easier to mass -reduce and it's

also easier to Extrude vinyl in multiple applications with the color built into it.

So with aluminum everything's relying on paint So it is a maintenance product just

like you would have with wood or like you have with hearty. It is painted But as

far as the sustainability of aluminum siding, I still think aluminum siding is a

phenomenal product. It's just, it's not widely used. It's not widely available. Many

manufacturers just got out of it years ago, and you know, it's aluminum is a

volatile product. So, you know, as the kind of the price of metal goes up and

down, the price of that product varies wildly. We saw that with, you know,

four years under the Trump administration, we definitely saw the price of metal go

all over the place. Not necessarily it was his fault, but just simply saying that

it's not uncommon to have metal of any kind just be extremely volatile.

It can go all over the place. So it's hard to have a product that you want to

mass produce and kind of keep consistently price wise. It's really hard to keep it

consistent when the volatility of the market kind of has to dictate the overall

price. Yeah, when you're dealing with a global economy where it could wildly swing

yet. Yeah, I could see that. What about some of the hardy products?

So talk to me about like the life expectancy of some of those? Yeah, so I

personally love James Hardy. I think fiber cement is a is a phenomenal product. The

one issue we see more more often than not is, it's like anything,

right? So anything that's installed properly to the manufacturing specs is gonna give

you a full lifetime. We run into it a lot here because we do live in a coastal

environment. You know, moisture and salt air and everything is a very big issue that

we deal with here. We just see a bunch of people that just install things

improperly, which makes things fail very prematurely. So a hardy product,

realistically, is a full lifetime siding. You can get 50 years out of it. It does

require maintenance, like everything does. You are going to have to paint it like a

wood siding. But the painting process is much easier because you don't have...

It's not an organic product, so it's not going to break down and deteriorate like a

wood wood. You don't have open grains. You don't have to go through and like scrape

off the old paint. If it's installed properly, 30 years should be easy.

And in 30 years, you could probably get away with maybe two paint jobs in that 30

year span.

The first paint job, you know, it's going to fade no matter what everything fades.

That first 10 years, you should see minimal fade in the next say five years is

probably when you're going to start forecasting for that first real good paint job.

If you pay for a great paint job, you should easily be able to get 10 years out

of that second paint job and then another one to kind of seal off your 30 years.

But with proper maintenance, maintaining things like, you know, your caulk joints and

everything because caulk does fail. Maintaining all the little bit of maintenance

things that come up when you see something obviously break or fall off, go ahead

and get it taken care of. But 30 years easily cool. Yeah, are there any other

materials like slate or any other of the Yeah,

anything that I have not mentioned yet. So let's see. So we've talked about wood

We've talked about vinyl. We've talked about aluminum. We've talked about Hardy. There

are composite materials So when I say composite, there are other types of plastics

that you can use. They now have some cladding systems, which can be PVC.

It can be a composite, a similar composite material, another kind of plastic. We

have metal siding, which isn't quite as common in our area. Again, we live in a

kind of a harsher salt coastal environment, but we do have a lot of metal products

on the market right now. Full PVC products, great products in theory,

could literally install them under the water in the And they're never going to rot

or have any issues there But it is a PVC product which does tend to expand rapidly

in every direction. So a little bit more

Little bit more difficult of an installation process, but but still a phenomenal

product and let's see is there anything I missed

That's pretty much it I mean you have some like kind of there are some other

products out there There's some concrete tiles style products that aren't really

common in our area. Midwest kind of sees a lot more of that stuff than we do, but

they make roofing and siding products in like a concrete tile or ceramic tile.

But yeah, I think that's pretty much it. And you can go to like things like Stucco

or drive it. We haven't even talked brick or stucco. Yeah, you can do brick and

you can do stone. You can composite stone. You got stone that nails up in panels

you got stone that goes up literally the individual stones can be installed with a

stainless steel trim nail You got licking stick, which is essentially, you know, you

put a little mortar on the wall Squeeze it right in there. That's your licking

stick Yeah, I mean there's so many different products on the market now It's it's

almost it's almost too much like if you go on the internet you can go out there

and a homeowner could go Buck wild and research and you're gonna come up with all

these crazy ideas for all these products that you think are going to work really,

really well together.

But yeah, some of them last. Some of them don't. Some of them just don't really

work in our area because of the salt environment we live in. So. Yeah, and there's

obviously a reason why there's things like wood, vinyl, fiber cement that have kind

of risen to the top is the primary ones that we're discussing. Yeah, vinyl always

by far the industry, it's the market leader. It probably always will be simply

because of the price. You can't really find anything cheaper than a vinyl lap

siding.

You know, technically, it's a lifetime product. You can get 25 plus years out of it

with proper maintenance. It's not going to be the same color in 25 years by far.

It's not going to be anywhere near the same color.

But, you know, Yeah, we have multimillion dollar homes here that have vinyl siding

on them. I don't agree with that. You know, I think if your home is above maybe

750 ,000, I don't see any reason why your home should have vinyl on it.

But, but I didn't build it. So I can't say anything.

All right. So far, we've talked some of the signs of deteriorating siding. We've

talked about considering the age and and the material that was used. I wanna talk a

little bit about energy efficiency and curb appeal because if you visually inspect

your siding, you're like, no, we're good. And you think about the age of it and

it's like there's no real reason why I need to replace it. I'm assuming that

technology has changed some. So even vinyl siding that was made 20 years ago, I'm

assuming there's options today that are even insulated that, that might be different

today. Absolutely. What are some of those things?

Yeah, regarding energy efficiency and even the increase in the value of your home,

if you're thinking you're going to be selling it in the next year or two or? Yeah.

Um, so we'll talk curb appeal, curb appeal first. Obviously,

you know, curb appeal was kind of a buzzword, because what you think looks good on

your house, the next person might not think it looks good, the next person comes to

the door, thinks it looks just fine. Some people put a lot of effort behind that,

some people don't. You know, curbabill is not just the exterior of the house, it's,

you know, kind of the entire exterior. It's the, you know, the driveway, the

landscaping, the flowers, the this, the that railings. Um, so the last,

say 20 years have been kind of really big for houses having what we call it kind

of a layered texture for the front of the house. Everybody puts all this effort

into the front of their house because that's the part that people see the most.

But, you know, it's not uncommon to have, you know, three or four styles of siding.

Like, you know, we can have a lap over here and a board and batten over here and

a shake siding over here. And then maybe we'll do some stone accents and, you know,

we'll have three or four, sometimes five colors, you'll add some shutters, you can

add some window boxes, a trellis over here, a wood garage door. I mean,

it's,

you can have as much curb appeal as you possibly want. And, you know, you're never

going to please everybody, somebody's still going to walk up and be like, eh, wasn't

for me. Sure. So,

So yeah, so carb appeal can be kind of, it's in the, you know, the beauties in

the eye of the beholder. It looks good to you. Yeah. If you're looking to sell

your house, we see a lot of people that really just kind of need to update the

front side of their house. You know, you have a house that's probably 30, 40 years

old. Front side of your house probably all looks one, one shade, you know, the old

classic brick rancher with, with white aluminum siding. It's pretty classic in this

area. So like those houses, we usually try to throw like some shake or some board

and bat in the gables and, you know, why it's some color over here, white here,

you know, other colors here, paint the front door, kind of add another little pop

of color, different color shutter. Yeah, just trying to layer it out, have a bunch

of different accents. And so yeah, Do you recommend, I mean,

I've seen homes that you can tell the person has a very particular style and taste.

If they're looking to sell their home, do you typically recommend to people that

they go simpler to have a broader appeal? As opposed to like doing higher end

finishes, just go kind of more bland? Or I wouldn't necessarily say bland.

I would say that if you're if you're looking to redo the exterior of your house,

and the goal is to have the mass appeal, then I would be just wise as far as

what colors you go for.

They're not quite as popular now, but there was mid -2000s to early 2010s.

A lot of the siding manufacturers had Bermuda colors. It wasn't uncommon to do like

a pink siding like a Bermuda pink Bermuda blue Bermuda green Bermuda yellow You know

if you're if if you're the odd duck out in your neighborhood as far as like kind

of What your house looks like in comparison to the average other home then yeah

Maybe don't go for such kind of a stark contrast if if you're trying to sell your

home within a relatively short period of time. You know, try not to go super,

super crazy. You know, try to figure out honestly, the easiest thing to do is just

ask your contractor. What's popular right now? Like, what's what do you see?

As far as like color variants? Like, what are you seeing the most of? We install

it every single day. I can tell you that, you know, blues and grays are the two

most popular colors in the last handful of years, outside of white. Anybody who has

two pairs of eyes, I mean, can essentially look out and you see that everybody

wants that white, white siding with the black roof and the black this and the black

shutters and the black gutters and the black door. Everybody went over the last four

years. Everybody wants that farmhouse black and white look. It's very nice if done

properly, but you know, if it's four brand new construction custom homes side by

side by side and every one of them does white with black accents, it's just, it's

a little muddled. How do you stand out in the world where everybody wants the same

exact thing? So yeah, best thing you can do, ask your contractor. He'll shoot you

in the right direction. He'll tell you what's popular. He'll give you a couple of

different options. You know, we use a rendering system where we can take pictures of

the exterior of your home and we can create a complete 3D rendering for you. We

can change almost anything on the outside of your house to kind of give you a

better idea. But don't go rocking the boat. Don't go crazy. Don't hyper -personalize

the exterior of your home. And then in two years, can't believe somebody doesn't

like the same thing that you like. - Yeah, you will inevitably sell your home, drive

back through the neighborhood Six months later and be like, I can't believe they

changed it all. Why would they ever do that? Yep

All right We have not yet turned to deciding okay,

yeah, it's time for me to replace my sighting Could you talk to me a little bit

about the cost benefit to replacing versus repairing?

Sure Um, so, so when it comes to your maintenance cycle,

that's usually when we tell people like it's time to replace or, or at least

seriously consider replacing versus repairing. There are times where, um,

repairing isn't recommended because there's no way to warrant the repair, uh,

older vinyl, vinyl that's 25, 30 years old, that stuff typically is so brittle that

you can barely touch it without it cracking. None of that stuff is available, all

the technology as far as the pigments they use, the thickness, the extrusion process,

the way they put the color into everything, all of that stuff is upgraded. So it's

almost impossible to tie into the older stuff without causing some sort of repair

issue or maintenance issue. - And like you said, color is going to fade unless it's

been painted before you're going to match that color exactly. Yeah, 100%. And then,

you know, honestly, vinyl's not really meant to be painted. You can paint vinyl.

I've seen it done successfully. But vinyl was never meant to be painted. So when

you paint over vinyl, it does make the actual base, the sub product, the actual

vinyl product, act differently. Vinyl expands and contracts rapidly. If you paint it,

it now acts differently because it's now got this substance on the exterior that it

has to contend with So it may hold heat. It may expand to contract even worse You

may have issues with it actually breaking down the product even further So yeah, I

don't recommend painting vinyl, but it is it is done. It is an option

But again all of that money is you know You might as well throw in the air and

watch the wind blow it away because in a few years you're going to have to replace

it anyway. So I usually always look at it from the standpoint of how much

maintenance is going to take over the next, say, five to 10 years. And in that

same time period, let's say that your current project is a $20 ,000 replacement

project, in 10 years, that could be a $40 dollar replacement project.

So how much money are you going to spend over that next time, that next 10 -year

time frame, and how much of that money is just wasted? You know, there are times

where financially people just, they can't swing it. I get it. We don't hold that

against you. But we always try to weigh it against like, ultimately, what are you

going to spend in maintenance over X amount of years before you have no,

where you have no choice but to replace.

So we always try to kind of base everything that way. - Gotcha. - And then,

you know, every once in a while, we do run across the asbestos tile quite often in

this area.

Asbestos tile, it can kind of be patched in, but typically when somebody has

asbestos tile in their house, we pretty much always recommend replacement 'cause we

don't know what's underneath of that. It's usually layers and layers of siding.

Anytime you're gonna have multiple layers on a house and you wanna replace it, we're

gonna rip everything down to the substrate. No different than if we were doing a

roof. If you go in there and you've got two layers on your roof, you've got three

layers on your roof, four layers, I've seen up to six layers. We're gonna rip every

bit of that off and get down to the original substrate so that we can protect the

house from the original substrate and then build out from there. So yeah,

so again, it all comes down to like what's the maintenance cost? What's the

longevity of that product? If it's a 30 -year product in your year 25 and you've

got to spend let's say 25 % of what the replacement cost is to fix it, I mean I

personally don't see the value in that because whatever you save now it's just going

to get To the to the price at the end of that five -year term in five years are

going to have to replace it You're not going to have a choice And at which time

yeah, the price has just gone up So we've seen we've seen crazy price increasing

over the last five years Anybody who sat through COVID obviously knows that nothing

is as cheap as it was You know pre -COVID But is only going to continue to get

worse. So before we move on, I'm about ready to make the decision as the de facto

homeowner that yes, it is time to replace it. So I want to hear a little bit

about what my options are. We talked a lot about in the roofing episode about how

insurance companies at times like we can get insurance companies to replace roofs for

homeowners at also work for, for siding. Um, it does on occasion,

it is a little bit more rare for siding because we don't have the same codes for

siding. Um, surprisingly enough, there is no code that says,

uh, how many layers of siding you can have. So, um, I've I've worked on some,

we'll call them tenant houses or essentially they've been, you know, they may be in

kind of a lower income or kind of a lower blue class area where that house has

been kind of a rental house for the last 50, 60 years. I worked on one

specifically I can remember in downtown Laurel. That had been a rental property for

the last 50 years plus.

There was four layers of siding on that. And when we got there, we had had kind

of a little cyclone come through there and it ripped off almost 60 % of one whole

side of the house and then kind of created some issues on the rest of the house.

So, you know, the big red insurance carrier at the time was the carrier and they

came in and they gave us a bunch of repair. They gave us repair money for the

whole thing. And it was a struggle to kind of go back and win that up having to

utilize like the manufacturers installation products and or specifications to say like

we can install this siding because we don't have a proper substrate.

You know, so sometimes you have to go to the manufacturer versus the code. It is

possible. It's just a lot harder because the codes aren't as stringent with siding

as they are with roofing. Okay. So it's not going to be as. It's not as cut and

dry. If like, if you see somebody that has a whole bunch of siding off, it's not

like, oh, they could file a claim. It's not quite as simple. Um, Delaware is a non

matching state. So like you could have the entire front of your house get replaced

through insurance. It could. Kind of match. It's never going to match a hundred

percent. It could kind of match the siding on the rest of your house, but but the

law basically says that they don't owe to match the siding on the rest of your

house. So, yeah, it's different. All right. That is all we have for you today on

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